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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 6, 2011 20:04:52 GMT -5
I've found out something really important which may lead to the solution of the riddle: Just look at that image: By hellstormop at 2011-03-06 Seems that Night Furies really exist and one of them decided to blast a gas tank with an explosive acetylene-oxygen burst, doesn't it? The fireball you see in the picture is generated by blowing up some acetylene generated from calcium carbide and water in a gas tank. However, it is so short that it lasts only for a single frame of the clip. Also, usually fireballs from acetylene-air and acetylene-oxygen mixtures are usually yellow, not blue. so we have to find out why this one was blue. Maybe acetylene fireballs have a short blue phase of burning and then a longer yellow phase (but still extremely short) and therefore most times the yellow flames get captured by one of the video frames? And of course, the problem with the indigo burning fireball and with the ring of blue mist would remain unsolved.
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 6, 2011 20:09:17 GMT -5
Maybe that is it, though I can't really understand most of that stuff. But it OBVIOUSLY couldn't have been a night fury or else I would be as happy as a clown.
EDIT: Where did you get that photo?
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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 6, 2011 20:55:35 GMT -5
Well, I never said that it WAS a Night Fury, I just said that it may SEEM so. I've got the photo from a videoclip in YouTube which was about "carbide shooting" in Holland. I've found the clip as I was searching examples for exploding acetylene which produce a blue fireball. This is still the single clip I found which contains a such explosion.
But of course, you could also believe in a Night Fury which has shot this blast, go to Holland at Dec 31 and wait for the people doing "carbide shooting", maybe a Night Fury will approach to support them with its firepower when they run out of carbide xDDDDDDDDDDD
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 6, 2011 20:57:59 GMT -5
Ha I wish! Lol. There are sometimes that I out at night and I wish to see a dark figure pass by lol. I really wish night furies existed (lol).
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Post by nightfurymaster on Mar 6, 2011 21:07:57 GMT -5
That would be soooo hardcore. I'd ride him to school everyday and be like "yeah, this is my Night Fury. Jealous? Yeah I thought so."
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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 6, 2011 21:21:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you. As you can see in the picture, there is also blue mist where it shouldn't be. Which simply means that the blue light is a malfunction from the camera due to overbrightness. I think it's close to impossible to achieve a blue fireball with acetylene only, but maybe acetylene mixed with a volatile, organic solvent might work. Then the acetylene would give that bright color to the flame, so that the otherwise nearly invisible flame of ethanol or acetone (?) would get that bright to be even seen at day.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that acetylene needs a lot of oxygen to combust completely. A volatile solvent would "solve" this problem, because the acetylene would be well dispersed in the air.
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 6, 2011 21:23:34 GMT -5
Why don't we just wait a few years and see if scientists can make a night fury, with that you can know about it's fire lol. JK. Well maybe you should just wait for dreamworks to reply, if they even do.
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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 6, 2011 21:25:50 GMT -5
I will send a second E-Mail about the question to DreamWorks, maybe they will reply this time. But I don't really believe in it.
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 6, 2011 21:27:37 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe they will. I mean there are thousands of people who send them messages, and well they take a wile to reply.
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Post by nightfurymaster on Mar 6, 2011 21:28:56 GMT -5
true.
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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 8, 2011 17:06:01 GMT -5
Sent an e-mail to them now. Here the content of the e-mail:
Dear Sir or Madam,
after watching your movie "How to train your dragon" I'm wondering about a certain detail of it: What did the designers suppose to be the fire of a Night Fury? The official website only tells something about a "semi-solid mass, alight with an acetylene-oxygen flame", but neither where the ring of blue mist comes from nor the powerful blast of the explosion. So did the designers just design that fire to look cool and then threw some science in to have an explanation, or did they take a concept which at least might work in the reality? If the concept is real, what kind of concept is it? All other dragons which are described in the movie use concepts to breathe fire which are more or less well-known or at least real, like the Deadly Nadder (magnesium powder), the Terrible Terror (propane), the Gronckle (molten lava), the Hideous Zippleback (gas explosions) and the Mostrous Nightmare (napalm-like kerosene gel). So the Night Fury remains the only dragon without a proper explanation how its fire might work, although it is one of the main characters (Toothless) in the movie. Could you please tell me which concept the designers thought about when they designed its fire?
Sincerely yours, ... (name removed from this post due to privacy reasons)
Anyone got an idea how I could improve that (and maybe send them another, improved e-Mail, if they don't respond)?
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 8, 2011 17:11:09 GMT -5
Well it already sounds good like that, but you can add the explanations that you shared with us in your previous posts.
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Post by HellstormOP on Mar 8, 2011 17:44:24 GMT -5
Well, adding the explanations may result in usage of them by the designers as the "official" explanation, probably in a slightly modified version. Then we would never find out what the designers actually thought about when they designed it. Even if they didn't think about any real concept, it would be still nice to know if it was just something supposed to look cool and with some science mixed in it.
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Post by toothless11 on Mar 8, 2011 17:46:26 GMT -5
Oh ok.
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Post by ♫Moonbane♫ on Mar 8, 2011 18:38:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that was it. I never really question fiction, especially with somebody like Dreamworks. It's fiction.
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