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Post by blackrose108 on Aug 10, 2012 21:14:02 GMT -5
Discuss the ins and outs of episode two to "Dragons: Riders of Berk".
Here's the episode:
DISCUSS!
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Post by Valkyrie on Aug 10, 2012 22:44:52 GMT -5
I liked the flashbacks at the beginning, however brief.
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Post by Trainer Rosabeth on Aug 11, 2012 8:48:05 GMT -5
this is really my favorite episode so far so it's a good they show a soft spot for Snotlout about his dragon (it looked like he's crying when Gobber was about to kill Hookfangs)
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Post by crownflame on Aug 11, 2012 11:31:38 GMT -5
My favorite part of this episode was the moments when Stoick would go home, and Hiccup would instinctively hand him a beer. (LOL implied alcohol in a kids' show. I love these people. )
The first time, in particular, when Hiccup jumps right up as Stoick comes in. Watching the body language closely, there's all kinds of gold going on. Hiccup kind of has a subtle smile. It's not a chore. He really cares about his dad. This kind of seems like their moment to connect. Before Hiccup was training dragons, he had this monster of a father to deal with, and you can kind of see how he would've built up some transferable skills here. XD
It shows off, yet again, how polar opposite they are as far as size, too. Like, the tankard Hiccup holds is literally larger than his chest, and it's just normal to Stoick. XDXDXD
What makes it the most poignant to me, though, is that maybe this is what Hiccup's mom would be doing if she were still around.
Which makes me wonder exactly how their dual-bachelor house is really run. Does Hiccup work on their meals, too, or do they get help from the village with that? (you could easily take his "bread-making Vikings" line to imply he does do at least a bit of cooking, given that he'd also be good at the "small-home repair" part too XD) I know in the first episode, the fishermen were trying to hand Hiccup some fish for Stoick (though whether this is for the food stores or their own household is unclear). Given that they're the Chief and son, it seems like they'd have at least some kind of help. XD
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Post by Valkyrie on Aug 11, 2012 11:39:15 GMT -5
Hey guys I had a bit of an epiphany earlier today while watching this episode for the fiftieth time. For those of you who read the books and are looking for some carry-over, you'll really like this.
Anyway, I was thinking about episode two, when Gobber says "I wouldn't shoot you Hiccup. Not unless I absolutely had to." It made me think about in the book 'How to Cheat a Dragon's Curse', and how at the end, when all they have left of the potato is the arrow that was stuck in it. Hiccup begs them to shoot him with it in order to cure him after he falls ill with vorpentitis.
I will bet money on the fact that this (or something similar) will happen in Riders or Berk. Hiccup will fall ill, and to cure him Gobber will have to shoot him with the arrow from the potato.
So what do you think? Does my theory have merit? I haven't read the books, but I've heard quite bit about them. That's probably why it didn't click for me sooner.
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Post by crownflame on Aug 11, 2012 11:48:18 GMT -5
Hey guys I had a bit of an epiphany earlier today while watching this episode for the fiftieth time. For those of you who read the books and are looking for some carry-over, you'll really like this. Anyway, I was thinking about episode two, when Gobber says "I wouldn't shoot you Hiccup. Not unless I absolutely had to." It made me think about in the book 'How to Cheat a Dragon's Curse', and how at the end, when all they have left of the potato is the arrow that was stuck in it. Hiccup begs them to shoot him with it in order to cure him after he falls ill with vorpentitis. I will bet money on the fact that this (or something similar) will happen in Riders or Berk. Hiccup will fall ill, and to cure him Gobber will have to shoot him with the arrow from the potato. So what do you think? Does my theory have merit? I haven't read the books, but I've heard quite bit about them. That's probably why it didn't click for me sooner. Honestly, I really just take that particular line as a joke. I'm not sure it's really going to become anything. Gobber being all PTSD or something. XD That being said, I would be DELIGHTED if book 4 came up in any poignant fashion. Book 4 is probably one of the best plotwise/thematically in the series. (For those who haven't read them, and don't plan to... just read book 4 (How to Cheat a Dragon's Curse). It's a great story in its own right.) (Pity we just spoiled the shocking end! XD) For what it's worth, the dynamic in that particular scene was that Hiccup had gone on a massive quest to acquire the potato to save Fishlegs (his best friend in the series') life. He actually mostly fails, only bringing back an arrow saturated in potato juice. But then he falls ill. Nobody but Fishlegs can understand him in that scene (Stoick actually attempts to take the arrow for his son, if I remember correctly), and because Fishlegs understands and trusts Hiccup that much, he shot him, saving his life (Hiccup already knows Fishlegs is a super bad shot and is counting on it to not be fatal). Given the change in dynamic from books to animation, where Gobber and Hiccup are likely closer friends than Hiccup and Fishlegs... well, I'd say a turnaround with Gobber and Hiccup? You might indeed be onto something there.
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Post by Valkyrie on Aug 11, 2012 11:52:39 GMT -5
It's just a theory. We'll see what happens.
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Post by blackrose108 on Aug 11, 2012 12:11:48 GMT -5
My favorite part of this episode was the moments when Stoick would go home, and Hiccup would instinctively hand him a beer. (LOL implied alcohol in a kids' show. I love these people. ) The first time, in particular, when Hiccup jumps right up as Stoick comes in. Watching the body language closely, there's all kinds of gold going on. Hiccup kind of has a subtle smile. It's not a chore. He really cares about his dad. This kind of seems like their moment to connect. Before Hiccup was training dragons, he had this monster of a father to deal with, and you can kind of see how he would've built up some transferable skills here. XD It shows off, yet again, how polar opposite they are as far as size, too. Like, the tankard Hiccup holds is literally larger than his chest, and it's just normal to Stoick. XDXDXD What makes it the most poignant to me, though, is that maybe this is what Hiccup's mom would be doing if she were still around. Which makes me wonder exactly how their dual-bachelor house is really run. Does Hiccup work on their meals, too, or do they get help from the village with that? (you could easily take his "bread-making Vikings" line to imply he does do at least a bit of cooking, given that he'd also be good at the "small-home repair" part too XD) I know in the first episode, the fishermen were trying to hand Hiccup some fish for Stoick (though whether this is for the food stores or their own household is unclear). Given that they're the Chief and son, it seems like they'd have at least some kind of help. XD As far as we've seen, all the Vikings eat their meals in the great hall. Maybe they just have one staff of chefs who cook all the meals and the Great Hall is just like the cafeteria at school. Though I'm sure people cook in their homes, I just don't think that's something they do every day. I have no doubt Hiccup knows how to cook though. And clean, and sew, and pretty much anything else he needs to do to take care of himself. I mean, come on, he was left alone in the house for a good first half of the movie, and that's probably not the first time Stoick has done that. (Though I like to think Gobber came by to check up on him frequently).
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Post by crownflame on Aug 11, 2012 12:50:37 GMT -5
As far as we've seen, all the Vikings eat their meals in the great hall. Maybe they just have one staff of chefs who cook all the meals and the Great Hall is just like the cafeteria at school. Though I'm sure people cook in their homes, I just don't think that's something they do every day. I have no doubt Hiccup knows how to cook though. And clean, and sew, and pretty much anything else he needs to do to take care of himself. I mean, come on, he was left alone in the house for a good first half of the movie, and that's probably not the first time Stoick has done that. (Though I like to think Gobber came by to check up on him frequently). Oh, very true! Come to think, they do seem to have a kind of communal style of living. Everyone eats at the Great Hall, and everyone shares the village food storage, maybe? I'm actually pretty interested in how their economy might work. Doesn't seem like they have money, nor barter, really (have yet to see Gobber be paid for a single thing-- he seems to just give out weapons for free, and (non canonically, given) Astrid didn't exactly bring two smallish chickens and a basket of clams for Hiccup in "Axe to Grind") And yet it seems really important for Gobber to have an occupation. Maybe that's just for his (admittedly shaky) mental health though. Perhaps all the Vikings upset over their carts of apples and baskets of bread were upset because it's their livelihood to supply to the village or something. Like people earn their right to food via their own contributions and labor... OR RISK SHUNNING. Yeah, I think Hiccup's sensible enough to have picked up on a bunch of those things. They'd need it around the household regardless, and I'm not sure Stoick is logical enough to "condescend" to some of those tasks even if he is around. I'm sure Gobber came by to check on him! ((That's actually a pretty funny thing that was implied in the arena show; Hiccup was staying up all night working hard on designing Toothless' new tail, and Gobber kept popping in to tell him to go to bed already.))
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Post by Serimon on Aug 11, 2012 13:19:08 GMT -5
"Is that another crack about my weight?" Book 4 is probably one of the best plotwise/thematically in the series. (For those who haven't read them, and don't plan to... just read book 4 (How to Cheat a Dragon's Curse). It's a great story in its own right.) Oh, when I read it, I cried... ಠ_ಠ ಡ_ಡ ಥ﹏ಥ
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Post by crownflame on Aug 11, 2012 13:45:23 GMT -5
"Is that another crack about my weight?" Book 4 is probably one of the best plotwise/thematically in the series. (For those who haven't read them, and don't plan to... just read book 4 (How to Cheat a Dragon's Curse). It's a great story in its own right.) Oh, when I read it, I cried... ಠ_ಠ ಡ_ಡ ಥ﹏ಥ I know! What a terrifying ending :C
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Post by Trainer Rosabeth on Aug 11, 2012 13:54:09 GMT -5
Book 4 yea it's a good book and the ending was kind of scary but Thank You Fishlegs
Also This is the Second time Hookfangs and Toothless all because Hookfangs almost harmed Hiccup ( but not on purpose this time)
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Post by blackrose108 on Aug 11, 2012 15:56:08 GMT -5
As far as we've seen, all the Vikings eat their meals in the great hall. Maybe they just have one staff of chefs who cook all the meals and the Great Hall is just like the cafeteria at school. Though I'm sure people cook in their homes, I just don't think that's something they do every day. I have no doubt Hiccup knows how to cook though. And clean, and sew, and pretty much anything else he needs to do to take care of himself. I mean, come on, he was left alone in the house for a good first half of the movie, and that's probably not the first time Stoick has done that. (Though I like to think Gobber came by to check up on him frequently). Oh, very true! Come to think, they do seem to have a kind of communal style of living. Everyone eats at the Great Hall, and everyone shares the village food storage, maybe? I'm actually pretty interested in how their economy might work. Doesn't seem like they have money, nor barter, really (have yet to see Gobber be paid for a single thing-- he seems to just give out weapons for free, and (non canonically, given) Astrid didn't exactly bring two smallish chickens and a basket of clams for Hiccup in "Axe to Grind") And yet it seems really important for Gobber to have an occupation. Maybe that's just for his (admittedly shaky) mental health though. Perhaps all the Vikings upset over their carts of apples and baskets of bread were upset because it's their livelihood to supply to the village or something. Like people earn their right to food via their own contributions and labor... OR RISK SHUNNING. Yeah, I think Hiccup's sensible enough to have picked up on a bunch of those things. They'd need it around the household regardless, and I'm not sure Stoick is logical enough to "condescend" to some of those tasks even if he is around. I'm sure Gobber came by to check on him! ((That's actually a pretty funny thing that was implied in the arena show; Hiccup was staying up all night working hard on designing Toothless' new tail, and Gobber kept popping in to tell him to go to bed already.)) My thoughts exactly. I'm pretty sure there's no currency on Berk, but everything is measure in how much you contribute or else you're deemed as "useless" (dun dun DUN). So Gobber's need to find a new occupation was probably because he just felt pretty useless and that's not the best feeling for Viking especially. EDIT: Oh, but now that I think about it, wasn't there a scene in this episode where Gobber was trying to settle the dispute between Bucket and Mulch and he said that Mulch never "paid" Bucket for a sheep. So...I guess they have some kind of pay off system there. It might not be currency but probably just trading one thing for another of equal value. And, aw man, now I REALLY wish the arena show was coming sooner to Florida. That's so adorably Gobber-ish. In his defense, though, I have a feeling Hiccup doesn't get nearly enough sleep, he pulls a lot of all nighters.
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Post by crownflame on Aug 11, 2012 21:45:21 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly. I'm pretty sure there's no currency on Berk, but everything is measure in how much you contribute or else you're deemed as "useless" (dun dun DUN). So Gobber's need to find a new occupation was probably because he just felt pretty useless and that's not the best feeling for Viking especially. EDIT: Oh, but now that I think about it, wasn't there a scene in this episode where Gobber was trying to settle the dispute between Bucket and Mulch and he said that Mulch never "paid" Bucket for a sheep. So...I guess they have some kind of pay off system there. It might not be currency but probably just trading one thing for another of equal value. And, aw man, now I REALLY wish the arena show was coming sooner to Florida. That's so adorably Gobber-ish. In his defense, though, I have a feeling Hiccup doesn't get nearly enough sleep, he pulls a lot of all nighters. Yeah, my guess is functionality means a whole lot on Berk, and a healthy Viking by nature isn't alive unless he's contributing. ("The only time a Viking takes a break is when he's dead") And right! Though I wouldn't be surprised if that scene was nonsensical from the beginning. That establishing shot of a fisherman's house seemed to imply to me that Mulch and Bucket might live together (even if they don't, they're clearly very close), in which case, who cares who the sheep belongs to? Plus, any claim of Bucket's is likely to be a bit batty (even though he apparently told Gobber that Mulch hadn't paid, he seems surprised to find that... Mulch hadn't paid). I mean, I don't know. But I'm willing to believe that bit was inherently nonsensical from the start-- and Gobber's kind of the type to just let things play out for his own amusement. XD The Spectacular expanded on a few things like that, probably because extensive dragon-action like in the movie wasn't as easy or possible. Another moment that really stuck out to me (and yet wasn't highlighted by any dialogue or anything whatsoever), was in a dragon training scene, Gobber is knocked over by the dragon. Nobody else acknowledges it, but Hiccup runs to see if he's okay. That was really interesting to me, since we can see the potential for this kind of thing between Gobber and Hiccup (even more clearly now) but hadn't really seen it come to fruition on screen. ((Assuming that that bit was scripted and wasn't just the actor falling over by accident. XD))
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Post by blackrose108 on Aug 11, 2012 21:51:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Bucket is pretty batty. It was mentioned by Mildew that he had his skull cracked by a dragon...which I'm guessing is why he wears the bucket over his head. But that would explain why he forgets things and pretty much replies on everyone else to tell him what's what--I did a little more extensive view on that in is character profiles on the Grapevine.
And I don't recall that scene in the movie. Do you remember which dragon training sequence it was?
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