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Post by Trainer Rosabeth on Sept 19, 2012 16:22:17 GMT -5
WOW even better than expected and i guess it was right about Mildew (again i thought he was one of those villains who was just a nagging idiot and not a serious threat like Alvin) oh well i wonder how he react when the outcast jumps in!
ok one final thing: are you guys sure that was Hiccup's sweat dropping on fugus? (for some reason i thought it was a teardrop)
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Post by sairen on Sept 19, 2012 16:37:50 GMT -5
It was a sweat drop, Rosabeth. That is the cliche, after all.
You know, I'm wondering if Alvin is actually manipulating Mildew. There is evidence that, despite everything, Mildew has strong connections to Berk. Despite how people don't like him, they still help him and pay him enough respect to at least listen. He also somehow got married to at least three different women (and a sheep.) Which might actually explain his hatred of dragons. Where DID his wives go? (Can Vikings get divorce?) It's not like he has a lot of money or anything, and there do seem to be trophies in his house.
More interestingly is the fact that Mildew had all his planted evidence be CORRECT. Correct enough to fool Fishlegs. Even in getting them from the bodies of dragons themselves, maintaining all the defining features would be hard. Plus, why...would he have done so...he didn't kill a dragon recently, so why do it in the past?
So my theories on Mildew's dragon hatred: One, dragons killed his wives. Which might have still happened, but there is also theory two. Which also goes into maybe why Mildew is always picking on Hiccup.
Maybe Mildew used to be like Fishlegs. Maybe he even TRIED to make peace with a dragon once and got burned somehow.
But back to my originally idea on Alvin manipulating Mildew. Mildew has at least SOME love for Berk of old, he certainly clings to the old ways. So it doesn't seem he'd deliberately leave them open to attack. Plus then you're getting rid of a constant point of conflict in future stories from a story writing perspective.
And it could also explain how Mildew got gun powder. Oh, some wandering trader came by. Was oh so surprised about dragons. Oh, hey, would you like some gun powder in exchange for cabbages? It would also be a way to explain the coincidence of the attack. Especially if Alvin is still as clever as he is in the books. Alvin in the books did an awful lot of manipulating.
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Post by conay on Sept 19, 2012 16:44:44 GMT -5
Holy crap...
that episode was AWESOME! Beats all the other episodes, by far. Can't wait for next week.
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Post by mrjop2 on Sept 19, 2012 17:33:20 GMT -5
I have an Aver Media recorder. It record whatever is on my television screen and creates a windows media file on the hard drive of my computer. I crop out the commercials, there's my digital copy. It's work, but at least I get to keep the series.
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Post by Shade on Sept 19, 2012 17:52:54 GMT -5
That's pretty epic
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Post by Trainer Rosabeth on Sept 19, 2012 18:07:44 GMT -5
@sarian: hmmm never thought of his hatred of dragons because one killed his wife or was once like Fishlegs . also Alvin manipulating Mildew i can think that is a good theory and i also hope that Dreamworks have some of book Alvin in TV series Alvin he a funny (yet irritating and mean) villain on the books and i want some of him in the series! _____________________________________________________________________________ Anyhow back to what i was gonna post about the water drop on Hiccup that drop on Fungus i first saw as a teardrop and then a sweat now but anyway i think he's either: sweating for the fact that he's nervous of getting cause, that it's hard to hold on the rope(probably not), or it's extremely hot in that room (again probably not) OR (and the theory i support the most) Crying for the fact that Mildew just cause him to lost his best friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! one or the other it's your choice
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Post by sthefano on Sept 19, 2012 19:39:37 GMT -5
I've got the feeling that much of Mildew characteristics were inspired on the Nordic God Loki, which is normally connected with the act cheating, lies and pranks. Because of that, the other Gods don't really like him, but they respect him, because in many stories he helped them somehow on other occasions. Back to Mildew, it seems that he's admired by most of the village, even though they don't seem to like him (maybe the trophies at his home are his "good" deeds from the past, but idk), he has his ways with words and seems to be selfish. He's also really smart and, as sairen observed, smart enough to fool Fishlegs. But I'm looking forward for the next episode and discover who's responsible for all this, Alvin or Mildew, who's Saruman and who's Wormtongue. Before ending this, I would like to say that I'm new here, so it'll take sometime for me to assimilate everything that is happening here (introduced myself yesterday at the INTRO board) and I would like to appologize for my English.
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Post by poofiemus on Sept 19, 2012 21:28:37 GMT -5
I definitely agree that Mildew is in cahoots with Alvin; originally I had assumed Alvin was purely being an opportunist, but with Mildew's attitude I now think that he and Alvin are in communication with each other.
Sairen, you do raise some interesting questions as to what Mildew's past was like. Especially the three marriages--did the marriages end because he was so unpleasant, or is he a jerk because of the three ended marriages? The idea of him originally being a dragon lover does have some interesting potential too, but at this point I think the evidence for it is a little thin. (Dragon claw boots and back-scratchers may have been fashionable at some point in the Viking past, for instance.) Still, the idea is cool, so it'd be awesome if you ended up being right on that.
Sthefano, ooh. I'm still betting it's Alvin calling the shots myself, due to what a sly, duplicitous bastard he was in the books, but Mildew even thinking he's in charge of it is a cool thought. I think both are going to be too self-centered to have a real friendship/alliance, so now I'm eagerly awaiting to see who's going to betray who.
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Post by mrjop2 on Sept 20, 2012 0:59:13 GMT -5
Based from what I read, I don't think Mildew is in cohoots with Alvin. From the synopsis, Alvin has been waiting for a chance to exact revenge on Stoick and the Vikings of Berk for kicking him out of the tribe. When he sees that the dragons are gone from Berk, he decides this is his time to attack and have his revenge. He has so ill intent for Hiccup as part of his plan.
Based on the synopsis of next weeks episode, that's what I get. I think Alvin is going to cause Berk to bring back the dragons to fight Alvin and his tribe off. Mildew, is not going to like that at all. Besides there is a difference between the two. Mildew hates dragons and wants them dead. Alvin is more into aquiring them to use them as weapons against his enemies.
And we bette like Alvin, because he's been labled as a recurring villian for the current plan of 2 seasons, 20 episodes each (40 planned episodes so far). To give such a role to Mark Hamil, you knew he was going to keep coming back. The thing I want to know is if we'll get to see how he looses his hand (If he does, it will be totally different from how he looses it in the books). The images of him in this coming episode shows that he hasn't lost his hand yet, which is good, because he looses it during a confrontation with Hiccup.
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Post by sairen on Sept 20, 2012 1:20:48 GMT -5
Upon rewatching, Mildew's wives did die. And he was quite happy about it too. =|a
Though I am wondering about those sashes. With just Astrid and Snoutlout wearing them, and Astrid not coming up with the name, I wonder if that means Snoutlout made them? Presumably whoever thought of the name would wear it.
So either the other kids refused to, or Snoutlout just made the two. Either way, the fact Astrid still wears it is almost kind of cute. I'm assuming because she wanted to seem more official. Otherwise, it's doing it to make Snoutlout happy and that seems a bit odd suddenly.
Also, whatever exploded in the armory wasn't gun powder. It was a liquid. The barrel next to it has runes that say oil. Not...sure if oil bursts like that, but that seems to be what it is.
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Post by Hookfang on Sept 21, 2012 13:50:59 GMT -5
I can't believe I'm so busy it took until Friday before I had 20 minutes of free time to watch this.
Worth it, though. I especially loved the bit where it showed the twins hugging one head of their dragon, then the other. It was really sweet.
Can we throw Mildew off the cliff? Please?
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Post by Shade on Sept 21, 2012 13:55:47 GMT -5
^Wait, we can't yet. We have to prove he's guilty first; otherwise it'd look even worse for the dragons. Once he's proved guilty, then he has my permission to die.
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Post by Hookfang on Sept 21, 2012 14:12:31 GMT -5
Oh, but we could make it look like an accident... Or Alvin could kill him. I'd be okay with that.
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Post by Shade on Sept 21, 2012 14:23:53 GMT -5
Hmmmm.... But still, how would we prove his guilt then?
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Post by Hookfang on Sept 21, 2012 14:28:55 GMT -5
Got me there. But at least he'd be out of our hair?
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