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Post by chaos on Feb 13, 2014 12:01:09 GMT -5
This battle includes toothless vs the screaming death, but toothless can fly on his own and does not have hiccup so its a one on one battle. I think to make it fair we will remove the Screaming Deaths disorientating scream as that will attracts whispering deaths so it will no longer be a one on one battle. Who do you think will win, personally I believe the Screaming Death will destroy any any Night Fury as the screaming death is about 5-6 months old while toothless is atleast 5-6 years old and would not be able to beat the screaming death without Hiccup's help and the second time without the wild dragons . So who do you think will win the fight?
Night Fury Advantages
Faster
More Intelligent
Far more sneaky
Screaming Death Advantages
More Durable
More firepower
can dig underground
just has a harder and stronger body
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Post by night fury100 on Feb 13, 2014 12:39:29 GMT -5
I'd say Toothless because like you said he's more intelligent so he can think more strategically than the Screaming Death and I'd think Toothless would keep going until he has no energy left because he's stubborn but I'd have to say that it would be close for the Screaming Death but Toothless would deliver the final blow but that's just me.
And by the way hi there.
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Post by chaos on Feb 13, 2014 15:29:02 GMT -5
I'd say Toothless because like you said he's more intelligent so he can think more strategically than the Screaming Death and I'd think Toothless would keep going until he has no energy left because he's stubborn but I'd have to say that it would be close for the Screaming Death but Toothless would deliver the final blow but that's just me. And by the way hi there. Yes but while I have to admit the Night Fury is more intellegent the Screaming Death certainly is not dumb and while the Night Fury might try to trick him or something he wont fall for it again, and I would call Toothless "determined" not stubborn but thats just me. PS. I do like the Screaming Death more it just has a cooler look than a complete black lizard and a better name |
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Post by night fury100 on Feb 13, 2014 15:30:32 GMT -5
That is true that's why I said that it would be a close fight
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Post by Moo on Feb 15, 2014 21:20:51 GMT -5
This would be a tight fight that would swing either way.Based on the criteria Toothless (T) can fly solo, and the Screaming Death's (SD) Scream is nullified, I'd say the Jury is out on this. (I know, Captain Decisive here)
T I think would be able to feign a few moves that would dupe the SD into a mistake or two that he would be able to capitalise on. I genuinely think he's smarter than the SD. But, the SD as we have seen is Dragon that learn from his mistakes. He will not fall for the same move twice. Not unless that move is a 'fake' feign for a better feign. T has incapacitated the SD by trapping its wings through such moves, so in a way T did win the fight against the SD as T used his superior intelligence to outwit and out manoeuvre the SD.
The SD though has a lot more fire power and can tunnel underground. A good hit by the SD could probably severely wound T. And the aforementioned tunnelling means that the SD could take the ground from underneath T if for whatever reason T couldn't fly and finish him off. T would therefore need to keep moving out of harms way of the SD, who's spikes have been seen to penetrate T's skin, but doesn't appear to cause massive discomfort in that T was still willing to fight the SD after taking a spike to the leg.
FTR, I wouldn't say T is faster in a sense of that the SD could be seen just about keeping pace behind T, though that was because T was manoeuvring between rocks, while the SD head butted them out the way. Not fast enough to make T's speed a major advantage. I would argue T is more agile.
Tough one.
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Post by chaos on Feb 17, 2014 10:48:17 GMT -5
This would be a tight fight that would swing either way.Based on the criteria Toothless (T) can fly solo, and the Screaming Death's (SD) Scream is nullified, I'd say the Jury is out on this. (I know, Captain Decisive here) T I think would be able to feign a few moves that would dupe the SD into a mistake or two that he would be able to capitalise on. I genuinely think he's smarter than the SD. But, the SD as we have seen is Dragon that learn from his mistakes. He will not fall for the same move twice. Not unless that move is a 'fake' feign for a better feign. T has incapacitated the SD by trapping its wings through such moves, so in a way T did win the fight against the SD as T used his superior intelligence to outwit and out manoeuvre the SD.The SD though has a lot more fire power and can tunnel underground. A good hit by the SD could probably severely wound T. And the aforementioned tunnelling means that the SD could take the ground from underneath T if for whatever reason T couldn't fly and finish him off. T would therefore need to keep moving out of harms way of the SD, who's spikes have been seen to penetrate T's skin, but doesn't appear to cause massive discomfort in that T was still willing to fight the SD after taking a spike to the leg. FTR, I wouldn't say T is faster in a sense of that the SD could be seen just about keeping pace behind T, though that was because T was manoeuvring between rocks, while the SD head butted them out the way. Not fast enough to make T's speed a major advantage. I would argue T is more agile. Tough one. But wasnt that Hiccup's move and although the Night Fury is the smartest among Dragons I dont think he would of been able to think like a human especially Hiccup. |
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Post by Moo on Feb 17, 2014 13:50:16 GMT -5
That is true. I think you're point is valid as Toothless is strategic and lethal as seen at H's description of a Night Fury at the beginning of HTTYD, but doesn't 'think outside the box' (ie: use the environment to his advantage)
However, I know this point is going to stretch a fair amount, but if T spends a lot of time with Hiccup (H) and tribe, then it would be a fair guess to assume that T would begin to think like H to a degree, such as when T copied H when he smiled. Apply this logic to when H thinks about how to go about achieving what it's set ahead of him, then T would be able to 'think outside the box', to a lesser degree.
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Post by chaos on Feb 18, 2014 2:43:56 GMT -5
That is true. I think you're point is valid as Toothless is strategic and lethal as seen at H's description of a Night Fury at the beginning of HTTYD, but doesn't 'think outside the box' (ie: use the environment to his advantage) However, I know this point is going to stretch a fair amount, but if T spends a lot of time with Hiccup (H) and tribe, then it would be a fair guess to assume that T would begin to think like H to a degree, such as when T copied H when he smiled. Apply this logic to when H thinks about how to go about achieving what it's set ahead of him, then T would be able to 'think outside the box', to a lesser degree. Ok so maybe what you said is true that Toothless is starting to think like a human but do you really think that a Night Fury can defeat a screaming death in 6 shots as its shot limit is 6 while the screaming death has 25 shots and 6 spine shots and I think that if just 2 or maybe 1 shot connects the night fury is gone. |
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Post by Moo on Feb 18, 2014 9:08:51 GMT -5
That is true. I think you're point is valid as Toothless is strategic and lethal as seen at H's description of a Night Fury at the beginning of HTTYD, but doesn't 'think outside the box' (ie: use the environment to his advantage) However, I know this point is going to stretch a fair amount, but if T spends a lot of time with Hiccup (H) and tribe, then it would be a fair guess to assume that T would begin to think like H to a degree, such as when T copied H when he smiled. Apply this logic to when H thinks about how to go about achieving what it's set ahead of him, then T would be able to 'think outside the box', to a lesser degree. Ok so maybe what you said is true that Toothless is starting to think like a human but do you really think that a Night Fury can defeat a screaming death in 6 shots as its shot limit is 6 while the screaming death has 25 shots and 6 spine shots and I think that if just 2 or maybe 1 shot connects the night fury is gone. I was not aware a NF had 6 shot? And a SD has 25? Where is this mentioned? I haven't read the books, so if it's mentioned somewhere there then that would explain it. |
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Post by chaos on Feb 18, 2014 9:30:44 GMT -5
Ok so maybe what you said is true that Toothless is starting to think like a human but do you really think that a Night Fury can defeat a screaming death in 6 shots as its shot limit is 6 while the screaming death has 25 shots and 6 spine shots and I think that if just 2 or maybe 1 shot connects the night fury is gone. I was not aware a NF had 6 shot? And a SD has 25? Where is this mentioned? I haven't read the books, so if it's mentioned somewhere there then that would explain it. Hiccup says that the Night Fury has a six shot limit in the Eel Effect episode but in that episode it is shown because of the Eel Tothless had his shot limit increased to near infinite. The Screaming Death's shot limit is written on it's page in the How to train your Dragon Wikia although I am not completely sure about that but it is all I have got to go with. |
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Post by night fury100 on Feb 18, 2014 10:07:52 GMT -5
Just going out on a lim here I'm guessing you a screaming death fan because your asking for our opinion and when we give it you make shore that we're wrong about a toothless winning over the screaming death correct me if I'm wrong.
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Post by chaos on Feb 18, 2014 10:26:49 GMT -5
Just going out on a lim here I'm guessing you a screaming death fan because your asking for our opinion and when we give it you make shore that we're wrong about a toothless winning over the screaming death correct me if I'm wrong. i will admit that I am a Screaming Death fan and I like it far more than the Night Fury but I have tried to make the fight a fair one and make sure that we know as much as possible as both dragons but I do know far more about the Screaming Death than the Night Fury and find the Screaming Death far more interesting. |
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Post by Moo on Feb 18, 2014 11:43:42 GMT -5
I was not aware a NF had 6 shot? And a SD has 25? Where is this mentioned? I haven't read the books, so if it's mentioned somewhere there then that would explain it. Hiccup says that the Night Fury has a six shot limit in the Eel Effect episode but in that episode it is shown because of the Eel Tothless had his shot limit increased to near infinite. The Screaming Death's shot limit is written on it's page in the How to train your Dragon Wikia although I am not completely sure about that but it is all I have got to go with. Right, OK. I wasn't aware of that. |
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Post by night fury100 on Feb 18, 2014 12:13:21 GMT -5
Just going out on a lim here I'm guessing you a screaming death fan because your asking for our opinion and when we give it you make shore that we're wrong about a toothless winning over the screaming death correct me if I'm wrong. i will admit that I am a Screaming Death fan and I like it far more than the Night Fury but I have tried to make the fight a fair one and make sure that we know as much as possible as both dragons but I do know far more about the Screaming Death than the Night Fury and find the Screaming Death far more interesting. OK I understand and I know a lot about both dragons to say that they are both powerful and intelligent dragons and if they fort 10 times about 85% of the time it would be a draw because they both are strong and powerful but if I had to pick one like I did here most of me says pick the night fury because I'm a night fury fan but I do also consider a reason why and If I can't think of one then I'd think why the other dragon would win to be fair instead of making something unbelievable up and trying to make it look believable. So I respect that your trying to keep the fight fair and I respect that you like the screaming death because it is a cool dragon I have to admit. |
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Post by chaos on Feb 18, 2014 13:12:51 GMT -5
i will admit that I am a Screaming Death fan and I like it far more than the Night Fury but I have tried to make the fight a fair one and make sure that we know as much as possible as both dragons but I do know far more about the Screaming Death than the Night Fury and find the Screaming Death far more interesting. OK I understand and I know a lot about both dragons to say that they are both powerful and intelligent dragons and if they fort 10 times about 85% of the time it would be a draw because they both are strong and powerful but if I had to pick one like I did here most of me says pick the night fury because I'm a night fury fan but I do also consider a reason why and If I can't think of one then I'd think why the other dragon would win to be fair instead of making something unbelievable up and trying to make it look believable. So I respect that your trying to keep the fight fair and I respect that you like the screaming death because it is a cool dragon I have to admit. Thank you for Understanding and I also respect your decision but we have got to have competition it would be boring if we both agreed to pick the Night Fury but now I have done some more research on the Night Fury and think that it will be a closer fight but I still have to say the Screaming Death. |
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